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i think the same on doma. we may even do better on doma. >> cenk: man, you are full of boldness today. but you mentioned earlier it could be a narrow ruling. what would that mean and what would be the effect of that? >> in both cases they could decide not to decide. they could say we don't think that the people who are appealing this in other words the proponents of prop 8, we don't think they have the standing or legitimacy to be before us today, and we're just going to let the previous court ruling stand. that could happen. >> cenk: in which case prop 8 would loose. >> exactly. >> cenk: but that would not apply to the rest of the state. so it is kind of like punting. >> it is kind of like punting, but i would be surprised if they issue a brood ruling saying that all 50 states have to accept voted that way, would they be an american hero? >> they i would be. look what roberts did on, quote unquote, obamacare. one reason he did it for sure is because chief justice roberts doesn't want his institution, the supr
i think the same on doma. we may even do better on doma. >> cenk: man, you are full of boldness today. but you mentioned earlier it could be a narrow ruling. what would that mean and what would be the effect of that? >> in both cases they could decide not to decide. they could say we don't think that the people who are appealing this in other words the proponents of prop 8, we don't think they have the standing or legitimacy to be before us today, and we're just going to let the...
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let's go to doma for a second. >> the importance of doma says the federal government cannot deny federal benefits to people just because they are involved in a same-sex marriage. every single issue we are concerned about, whether it's lbgt worker's women boment baum care, all of those issues will be played out in the context of the immigration bill. in my point there is no point of bringing people out of the shadows only to make them second class citizens. it's all of us liberty and justice for all that has to happen. >> michael: yeah "politico" has an article out saying that there are these republican -- big doers in the republican party, that are going to give a lot more money if republicans start taking a stand that says -- that legalizes gay marriage in america. how big of factor is this, and do you believe it? >> i absolutely think there are gay republicans, some of them are my friends, that say it's tough for me. they agree with the republican party on the economic front but not on social issues so i think that would tremendously help the republican party and when ted olson made an
let's go to doma for a second. >> the importance of doma says the federal government cannot deny federal benefits to people just because they are involved in a same-sex marriage. every single issue we are concerned about, whether it's lbgt worker's women boment baum care, all of those issues will be played out in the context of the immigration bill. in my point there is no point of bringing people out of the shadows only to make them second class citizens. it's all of us liberty and...
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and not allow anybody to get married. >> if they strike doma down on certain grounds, doma violates basic rights of equality, that leaves a lot that ban same-sex marriage dangling. >> scott: there is a question of standing and both cases asked both sides to argue why they have the right to be there. how big a deal is that? is that a sleeper issue? >> it is a big issue. one of the cues we have of that is the supreme court asked for briefing on that question and is allowing time for separate oral argument on that question in both cases. i think the issue of standing in relation to prop 8 is an interesting one. as vik said, the attorney general and governor from the get-go have not defended prop 8. the question is whether these proponents of prop 8 represented by mr. pugno we heard earlier have the right to do that. essentially, the ballots are private citizens. they are not people elected to make litigation decisions. you have a situation where you have private parties who might be able to make litigation decisions and have no accountability for that. nor any delegation of authority t
and not allow anybody to get married. >> if they strike doma down on certain grounds, doma violates basic rights of equality, that leaves a lot that ban same-sex marriage dangling. >> scott: there is a question of standing and both cases asked both sides to argue why they have the right to be there. how big a deal is that? is that a sleeper issue? >> it is a big issue. one of the cues we have of that is the supreme court asked for briefing on that question and is allowing time...
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it will hear arguments for the defense of marriage act known as doma. we discuss the issues before the u.s. supreme court. it's the final stop on a long and winding legal road. let's begin with a look at how it all started. the week of valentine's day, 2004, newly elected san francisco mayor gavin newsom, boldly, some said recklessly orders to grant marriage li
it will hear arguments for the defense of marriage act known as doma. we discuss the issues before the u.s. supreme court. it's the final stop on a long and winding legal road. let's begin with a look at how it all started. the week of valentine's day, 2004, newly elected san francisco mayor gavin newsom, boldly, some said recklessly orders to grant marriage li
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good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think the important thing now as he said in his opinion piece in the "washington post" two weeks ago, and as he has been saying since 2009, he's now a supporter of same-sex marriage. he's had the same kind of evolution that many americans have had and he believes the bill is now unconstitutional. >> a former president clinton not the only one. same-sex marriage has gained support from others. in the past few weeks from senator portman, the american academy of pediatrics and former secretary of state hillary clinton. this is what hillary clinton said most recently. >> lgbt americans are our colleagues, our teachers, our
good see you, richard. >> hi, fredricka. >> why do you suppose clinton at the time agreed to sign doma, despite being a supporter of gay rights. then have you o wonder whether his about-face will potentially make a difference. >> well, i think even though it was only 17 years ago when doma was pushed through congress by the republicans, it was politically very popular and president clinton was six weeks away from a re-election and i think that sums up why he signs it. i think...
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. >> congressman, you signed for doma to be overturned. doma going to be heard tomorrow. and a number of lawmakers voiced their feelings for marriage equality. mark begich coming out for it. despite the fact that over 130 other republicans have signed an amicus brief doing so, the supreme court, if it signs prop 8, do you think that takes the heat off this issue? >> this is an issue where the public is so far ahead of where elected leaders are. we saw 58% nationally. if you look at that 18 to 29 demographic, 89% support marriage equality. the country is so far ahead of elected leaders. the fact we have elected leaders talking about it is simply a statement they're hearing from constituents, they want equal treatment under the law, and my marriage is as valid as anyone else's marriage, and if we have that, we're really respecting the institution of marriage. i think that's the me message that resonates. and you're going to see more and more republicans recognizing that because certainly the public is. >> you make a great point about the millennials of being well ahead of o
. >> congressman, you signed for doma to be overturned. doma going to be heard tomorrow. and a number of lawmakers voiced their feelings for marriage equality. mark begich coming out for it. despite the fact that over 130 other republicans have signed an amicus brief doing so, the supreme court, if it signs prop 8, do you think that takes the heat off this issue? >> this is an issue where the public is so far ahead of where elected leaders are. we saw 58% nationally. if you look at...
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tosome of them only apply doma. and understand what you mean by uniformity, but it is for the justification of the defense of marriage act. >> by uniformity -- ? >> as i a understand it, for simplicity sake, the federal government does not want to discern between different gay couples and they want to treat them equally as bad. as unmarried. >> there are lots of gay couples that which they were married and are not married and not get all the benefits of treatment by the federal government. in other words, in order to treat all same-sex couples as unmarried, we will treat them all the same. >> what congress said in the defense of marriage act is that -- the interest here is making sure that a married couple in texas is treated the some -- the same as a married couple in massachusetts. so that it is uniform throughout. >> there are two categories of married people, those that get in and those who do not. we are distinguishing would sheen -- distinguishing between married couples. and they want there to be uniform trea
tosome of them only apply doma. and understand what you mean by uniformity, but it is for the justification of the defense of marriage act. >> by uniformity -- ? >> as i a understand it, for simplicity sake, the federal government does not want to discern between different gay couples and they want to treat them equally as bad. as unmarried. >> there are lots of gay couples that which they were married and are not married and not get all the benefits of treatment by the...
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doma denies federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married in their own state. and then friday, all right, car enthusiasts get to new york. the new york auto show kicks off. the nine-day event features about 1,000 vehicles and will, of course, show off hot new cars and trucks from around the world and all the technology that goes in them. >>> we told you about the defensive marriage act up for debate on wednesday. thousands of couples across the country affected by the supreme court decision and cnn joe johns spoke to one of those couples. joe? >> christi, the defensive marriage act has been the law of the land since 1996. though its title may sound harmless enough, gay and lesbian americans all over the country claim the law has caused enormous damage, claiming that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman. jamel thomas and corinne williams were together four years before they got married last october. don't let the wedding dresses fool you. their lives are not all saturn and pearls. >> i am a police officer here in d.c. >> which makes this couple a
doma denies federal benefits to same-sex couples legally married in their own state. and then friday, all right, car enthusiasts get to new york. the new york auto show kicks off. the nine-day event features about 1,000 vehicles and will, of course, show off hot new cars and trucks from around the world and all the technology that goes in them. >>> we told you about the defensive marriage act up for debate on wednesday. thousands of couples across the country affected by the supreme...
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let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think this is one of the great cases that the the supreme court will hear this term. that and prop eight. but doma which was compromised legislation and signed by bill clinton back in 1996 has always been questionable in terms of constitutionality. and two federal appeals courts have held that that law that restricts personnel rights that is by the federal government violates the constitution. it violates the equal protection law. in terms of the significance of it, it's really march madness. this is so important and so exciting because you hav
let's start with doma. it's the federal law that defines marriage as a union between and a man and a woman. it keeps gays from get iting th same rights. president clinton signed doma into law in 1996. he now says it should be struck down. avery freedman from cleveland, good to e see you. >> hi, fredricka. >> and richard herman, good to see you as well. avery, you first on this. two cases before the supreme court. let's begin with doma. how much is at stake here? >> i think...
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. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make its own definition of marriage. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean, we sent our elected representatives to washington, d.c., and they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it's clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefit and the issue with doma really gets complicated if they have children who are also excluded from bene
. >> what the bill does -- >> reporter: now the defense of marriage act, also known by doma first passed by congress and signed by president clinton in 1996, is being challenged at the supreme court. >> it's being asked to decide whether or not congress can pass a law that treats same-sex couples who are already married under the laws of their state different from opposite sex couples. >> reporter: defenders of the law say congress has as much right as the states to make...
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my two cents, i think the court will decide on doma. you cannot have a situation where federal law is unconstitutional in new england and it is constitutional in the rest of the country. what you do with the irs? one way or the other, the supreme court has got to decide whether or not doma is constitutional or not. host: if people are listening today, they will be hearing a past president cases that could be brought -- precedent cases that could be brought up. -- brought up? guest: this is not an area where there is a lot of precedent. the only to go opinions are the ones justice kennedy wrote in 1996 -- he wrote an opinion that struck down an anti-gay a voter initiative in colorado and said that this law reflects animosity to particular group of fellow citizens and you do that. he also wrote an opinion in 2003 that struck down the last of the sex acts -- laws that targeted days. he said that gays and lesbians are entitled to respect, not to be demeaned by the law, and that you cannot do that. a lot of people cite those precedents as sa
my two cents, i think the court will decide on doma. you cannot have a situation where federal law is unconstitutional in new england and it is constitutional in the rest of the country. what you do with the irs? one way or the other, the supreme court has got to decide whether or not doma is constitutional or not. host: if people are listening today, they will be hearing a past president cases that could be brought -- precedent cases that could be brought up. -- brought up? guest: this is not...
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doma bans the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. federal regulators want big pharmaceutical companies to stop paying drug companies from delaying the release of cheaper versions of brand name drugs. the deals unfairly force consumers to pay more money on their drug bills. >> 6:42. hope you got a chance to enjoy this weekend. it was beautiful. >> we have a gorgeous day shaping up. good morning to you, laura and marla. good morning to you. this is san francisco, beautiful start to the day here. you don't have a lot of fog to point out in this general picture. you will find some up in the north bay. big pockets developing up there. lelts show you s let's show you san jose. that officially comes in at 7:06. 40, 46 degrees in san jose. 46 for livermore. 41 in gilroy. 48 in sfraeps an francisco to t along the day. as we head throughout the day today, we will easily hit the 60s, low 60s by noon. upper 50s on the way to the coast. limited sunshine for the second half of the day and highs that are comfortable. it is not going to be that nice
doma bans the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. federal regulators want big pharmaceutical companies to stop paying drug companies from delaying the release of cheaper versions of brand name drugs. the deals unfairly force consumers to pay more money on their drug bills. >> 6:42. hope you got a chance to enjoy this weekend. it was beautiful. >> we have a gorgeous day shaping up. good morning to you, laura and marla. good morning to you. this is san francisco,...
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the second case involves the defense of marriage act known as doma. that law defines marriage as between a man and a woman. right now people are lining up outside of the supreme court trying to get front-row seats to history. will the supreme court say i do to same-sex marriage or decide to punt? key players made their arguments today on cnn's "state of the union." >> we immediate to keep the debate live. americans on both sides of the issue are deeply invested on this debate of marriage and don't need a 50-state solution presented by the supreme court when our democratic institutions are perfectly capable of handling the issue. that's what the court will december glide the united states supreme court since the 1880s has 14 times described marriage as a fundmental right. when we are talking about this issue going before the court, we are talking about fundamental notions of people, justice, and liberty. >> >> supreme court's ruling may not come until june but the justices question during argument this week may reveal how they are leaning. bring in now
the second case involves the defense of marriage act known as doma. that law defines marriage as between a man and a woman. right now people are lining up outside of the supreme court trying to get front-row seats to history. will the supreme court say i do to same-sex marriage or decide to punt? key players made their arguments today on cnn's "state of the union." >> we immediate to keep the debate live. americans on both sides of the issue are deeply invested on this debate of...
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but what we doma maintain, and think the president is the first do so, is that israel has the rate to independently defend itself against any threat, including the iranian threat. >> i think the only thing i would add is that our intelligence cooperation on this issue, the consultation between our militaries, intelligence, is unprecedented. and there is not a lot of light, a lot of daylight, between our k our countries' assessments in terms of where iran is right now. i think what bb alluded to, which is absolutely correct, is each country has it make its own decisions when it comes to the awesome decision to engage in any kind of military action. and that israel is differently situated than the united states. and i would not expect that the prime minister would make a decision about his country's security and defer that to any other country. any more than the united states would defer our decisions about what was important for our national security. i have shared that with bb, is i said to the entire world, and said to the iranian people and iranian leaders, that i think there is tim
but what we doma maintain, and think the president is the first do so, is that israel has the rate to independently defend itself against any threat, including the iranian threat. >> i think the only thing i would add is that our intelligence cooperation on this issue, the consultation between our militaries, intelligence, is unprecedented. and there is not a lot of light, a lot of daylight, between our k our countries' assessments in terms of where iran is right now. i think what bb...
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doma is complicated because it does provide protection for the states from the federal government part of it federalizes the issue. there is a chance the court could strike down the federalization part of it. if they do i think the way to fix it is maybe to try to make all of the laws more neutral towards the issue. i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in you but i don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue. i'm for a flat income tax and we wouldn't have marriage as part of the tax code. health insurance there is a way to write it where it would be neutral and you wouldn't bring marriage into the idea of health insurance chris i want to -- >> chris: i want to go back to the filibuster. after you filibustered for 13 hours you got this letter from the attorney general in which he wrote does the president have the authorization to kill an american with a drone to kill an american not engaged in combat on american soil just is answer to that is no. it seems to me what attorney general holder is saying by implication is that the president does h
doma is complicated because it does provide protection for the states from the federal government part of it federalizes the issue. there is a chance the court could strike down the federalization part of it. if they do i think the way to fix it is maybe to try to make all of the laws more neutral towards the issue. i don't want the government promoting something i don't believe in you but i don't mind if the government tries to be neutral on the issue. i'm for a flat income tax and we wouldn't...
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prop 8 about people's right to get playered, doma about, what to do when they're married and can they get federal benefits. >> this is a case brought by a woman who was in a long term relationship with another woman. was married. when her partner died, was charged estate tax that she would not have been charged. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." make sure you follow andrea's travels with secretary kerry. tamron hall has a look at what's next on "news nation." >>> breaking news, we'll play the audio now and from the supreme court's nearly 90-minute arguments over california's ban on same sex marriage. pete williams is live outside the supreme court. plus the latest on what the white house is saying today. and we're following another developing story. a new jersey dad, father of five, expected to make a big announcement in about five minutes. he is claiming that winning lottery ticket. the largest lottery jackpot in history. plus, bill clinton jumped into the player's race in los angeles. but why? we're going to get the first read
prop 8 about people's right to get playered, doma about, what to do when they're married and can they get federal benefits. >> this is a case brought by a woman who was in a long term relationship with another woman. was married. when her partner died, was charged estate tax that she would not have been charged. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." make sure you follow andrea's travels with secretary kerry....
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. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean we send our elected representatives to washington, d.c. an they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it is clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't get the same benefits and the issue with doma really gets complicated if they have children who are also excluded from benefits. >> when we have kids i would like them to be born in a post-doma united states. >> reporter: still, california as one of only a handful of states that gives most of the benefits of marriage to same-sex couples and domestic partnerships. one question is whether any ruling by the court on california could affect all of those other states in the same way. pred? >> thanks so much, joe. >>> so is there a feeling that the landscape on gay marriage is about to c
. >> doma is important because congress said it was important. i mean we send our elected representatives to washington, d.c. an they chose to say that marriage is one man and one woman for purposes of federal law. >> reporter: and conservatives say the founding fathers never contemplated gay marriage. >> because it is clearly not what anyone understood as marriage at the time of the framing of the constitution. >> reporter: still, same-sex families pay taxes and don't...
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doma won't stop that. it's natural. all it does is inflict pain by denying the rights of those that have a different lifestyle than those of us who are straight. it's not going to stop this. you find somebody and fall in love. >> stephanie: okay. stop bringing that point up. stop poking me with the loser stick. bill, i have read a lot of legal analysis about that. this is what happened in prop 8. this is not hurting anybody. it's just opening a right to everybody, right? >> caller: well, and this is the thing. it is inflicting pain. i just read in the state journal this morning, a woman who had partner who died, and she has no right to even the wedding ring. it's horrible. it's ridiculous. >> stephanie: right. >> on facebook today a lot of gay people are switching their sign to a red equal sign. and a lot of straight people are starting to do that too. >> stephanie: oh. thank you, y'all straight people. mary, welcome. >> caller: hi, everybody. last week's show was pretty good, and that was good choice that you made putt
doma won't stop that. it's natural. all it does is inflict pain by denying the rights of those that have a different lifestyle than those of us who are straight. it's not going to stop this. you find somebody and fall in love. >> stephanie: okay. stop bringing that point up. stop poking me with the loser stick. bill, i have read a lot of legal analysis about that. this is what happened in prop 8. this is not hurting anybody. it's just opening a right to everybody, right? >> caller:...
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doma can affect over 1,000 benefits. everything from the way married couples pay their taxes to who getting notified as next of kin in the event military personnel are injured or killed in the line of duty. the first case on the docket on tuesday is a challenge to california's proposition 8 which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. it's about equal protection and whether the fundamental right of marriage extends to same-sex couples. it's being brought by same-sex couples from california who say they have the right to be married fp there is also a very interesting question here of whether the people defending proposition 8 are able to showi case. supporters of prop x 8 has to show same-sex marriage causes them tangible harm. >> it's interesting because there seems to be such optimism on the part of gay rights advocates that they will rule in their favor. >> and the question of course is whether now is the time. there has been an internal debate in legal circles whether this is the time to actually bring cases l
doma can affect over 1,000 benefits. everything from the way married couples pay their taxes to who getting notified as next of kin in the event military personnel are injured or killed in the line of duty. the first case on the docket on tuesday is a challenge to california's proposition 8 which defines marriage as between a man and a woman. it's about equal protection and whether the fundamental right of marriage extends to same-sex couples. it's being brought by same-sex couples from...
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[cheers and applause] all doma does is make us weaker. doma makes america weaker because it denies gay and lesbian service members one of the tools that they need to complete the mission, something that we have offered to their straight counterparts for over a century x that is the comfort of knowing that if they are called on to make these supreme sacrifice, that their families will be looked after and cared for in perpetuity i -- by a grateful nation. [cheers and applause] and so that means if you are a gay marine at sea in the persian gulf today, that in the eyes of the government the love that you and your husband share means nothing. it means if you are a lesbian soldier standing on the dmz in korea right now, the commitment that you and your wife shared with one another when you shared your vows is empty as far as the army is concerned. and so they're out there right now laying their lives on the line for a government and a country that says to them if something happens to you, don't expect us to take care of your families. and thei
[cheers and applause] all doma does is make us weaker. doma makes america weaker because it denies gay and lesbian service members one of the tools that they need to complete the mission, something that we have offered to their straight counterparts for over a century x that is the comfort of knowing that if they are called on to make these supreme sacrifice, that their families will be looked after and cared for in perpetuity i -- by a grateful nation. [cheers and applause] and so that means...
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doma tomorrow. the united states supreme court. i want to ask you about you've also talked about and written about this interview yesterday. "the today show" airing an interview not done by members of the today staff peter. who was it that did that? >> john veigler. >> bill: who was doing an interview with sandusky. he brought the interview to abc and they -- to nbc and they aired it on "the today show." >> we know today is in second place and they're having struggles about lauer and curie and who pushed who out. thisserer interview, it is part of a documentary they're putting together and the purpose of the documentary is to exonerate this sandusky and -- >> bill: and paterno too. >> they don't believe -- well, question a lot of the witnesses that came forward that said they saw sandusky in the bathroom doing what he was doing. trying to assassinate that kind of testimony. and you know, this isn't -- yeah, he's a former talk show host but he's not some kind of objective journalist. this is the guy who made the documentary media ma
doma tomorrow. the united states supreme court. i want to ask you about you've also talked about and written about this interview yesterday. "the today show" airing an interview not done by members of the today staff peter. who was it that did that? >> john veigler. >> bill: who was doing an interview with sandusky. he brought the interview to abc and they -- to nbc and they aired it on "the today show." >> we know today is in second place and they're...
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gop and the bipartisan legal counsel to continue this fight, $3 million of taxpayer money to oppose doma? >> well, look, this is a position of our party. but, you know, our point in the report, luke, is that, you know, when i was asked at the national press club i think one of the reporters asked me and he said are you still going to fund, you know, rob portman? my response is, of course we're going to help rob portman. he's a good conservative republican. my appointment, luke, i'm not going to get into this sort of back and forth with leadership, but what i will tell you is i think our party needs to have the attitude that if i disagree with you on one issue, it doesn't mean that you're a lousy republican. it means that you're a good republican. it means we agree on most issues and we need to unite our party. we can't build our party if we're going to cut out certain pieces and certain parts that we may not agree on 100% on but we have to grow. so we have to grow through additional -- >> mr. chairman, you're a relatively young man, 41 years old. do you think the republican party -- >> i
gop and the bipartisan legal counsel to continue this fight, $3 million of taxpayer money to oppose doma? >> well, look, this is a position of our party. but, you know, our point in the report, luke, is that, you know, when i was asked at the national press club i think one of the reporters asked me and he said are you still going to fund, you know, rob portman? my response is, of course we're going to help rob portman. he's a good conservative republican. my appointment, luke, i'm not...
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thing for the republican party at this point would be for the supreme court to strike down prop 8 and doma so this becomes settled law of the land and they do not have to deal with the schism inside their party and all the old guys who are culturally or religiously or for whatever reason resistant to marriage equality will no longer be holding office and will die off, i think is what josh says, and the republican party can move past this. >> well, it would take a brave republican in the meantime to move against the party on this with only 34% support in the republican party. and rand paul is not that brave republican. it's always fun to watch him torn between libertarianism and republicanism as he is on this thing, the libertarian view, of course, is that government should have nothing to do with religion in any way. they don't understand why the state would -- be issuing marriage licenses. but, you know, there he is. stuck defending the republican position. and -- but ari, going forward, if the supreme court doesn't help out the republican party this way, how long would it take for there
thing for the republican party at this point would be for the supreme court to strike down prop 8 and doma so this becomes settled law of the land and they do not have to deal with the schism inside their party and all the old guys who are culturally or religiously or for whatever reason resistant to marriage equality will no longer be holding office and will die off, i think is what josh says, and the republican party can move past this. >> well, it would take a brave republican in the...
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so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state solution, whichever state like california, basically giving a bunch of benefits with the exception of the wore marriage then they would have to adopt it, because there's no reason why -- the state can't have an interest in denying the word marriage if it is giving all of the benefits of marriage. and then there is the constitutional right to marriage nationwide. but what he was saying was at the very least they overturn doma and give a narrow ruling upholding the strikedown of prop 8. he thought there was zero chance that they did anything negative to hurt same-sex marriage. >> bill: so rob portm
so what that means is that at the very least the supreme court overturns doma right? and -- which gives states, you know, the right of sort of defining what marriage is and then they hold -- at the very least the narrowest ruling upholding the strikedown of pop situation 8, meaning that california couples could continue to be married or start again, but it doesn't necessarily -- >> bill: apply to the entire country. >> and then there is this other argument which is an 8-state...
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they include california's proposition 8 case on tuesday and the defense of marriage act or doma on wednesday. one of the top attorneys arguing against prop 8 which bans sa same-sex marriage in the state predicted a win while speaking on "meet the press." >> every time the supreme court makes a decision, it's making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. we've done it with race, with women, with every discriminating class and, remember, when the united states supreme court outlawed the bans on interracial marriage in 1967, 64% of the american people opposed interracial marriage and yet when that decision came down, there wasn't a ripple. >> today more than 160 rallies are planned across the country in support of what advocates call marriage equality. a recent abc news/"washington post" poll shows most americans think same-sex marriage should be legal. a major shift from nine years ago when more people were against gay marriage than were for it. but the poll also shows a significant age divide. 70% of people under the age of 40 support same-s
they include california's proposition 8 case on tuesday and the defense of marriage act or doma on wednesday. one of the top attorneys arguing against prop 8 which bans sa same-sex marriage in the state predicted a win while speaking on "meet the press." >> every time the supreme court makes a decision, it's making a decision that certain fundamental rights are too important to be left to the ballot box. we've done it with race, with women, with every discriminating class and,...
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especially doma. they'll decide it on a narrow -- that somebody doesn't have standing to bring the case and same with prop 8. so it will overturn it. it will overturn prop 8 in california. i think that's gone. without a doubt. but i'm going to hold out the big optimistic, just let everybody get married decision. i don't hope -- i hope for that but i don't believe it will happen. >> stephanie: what makes me nervous is whin you have somebody like a -- is when you have -- i was just doing a hernia test on jim. you have somebody like ruth bader ginsburg, she's pro-choice but roe v. wade did it create a backlash. that's a little unnerving right? >> right. except that i think the nation's ready for that. i mean you know, especially young people. what is it? 80% of young people are people under 30 -- that's young people. i feel so old. >> stephanie: all right grandpa. >> get off my lawn! >> stephanie: drop the prunes for a minute. go ahead. >> that they support marriage equality and that there's a good perce
especially doma. they'll decide it on a narrow -- that somebody doesn't have standing to bring the case and same with prop 8. so it will overturn it. it will overturn prop 8 in california. i think that's gone. without a doubt. but i'm going to hold out the big optimistic, just let everybody get married decision. i don't hope -- i hope for that but i don't believe it will happen. >> stephanie: what makes me nervous is whin you have somebody like a -- is when you have -- i was just doing a...
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[applause] doma we are separate, forced into two tears in recognition of support. hands of the military art tied by the federal government and it is now in the hands of the supreme court. youow these justices and know these justices will do the right thing because they have done it before. it was this court that desegregated public schools. [applause] that struckcourt down laws prohibiting interracial marriages. [applause] in the twoe be true cases before the court right now. we are equal. [applause] my marriage is equal to any other marriage. [applause] my children's happiness and their future are as precious to me as any other mother's. [applause] , ii lost my spouse in combat would suffer as painfully as any other military wife would suffer. [applause] .ecause, because we are equal [applause] collects -- >> wow. let's take a moment to thank the families. we are equal. our families are equal. our families are equal. our families are equal. our families are equal. all right. thank you, thank you. it brings me great pleasure to bring up gets another family. thomas
[applause] doma we are separate, forced into two tears in recognition of support. hands of the military art tied by the federal government and it is now in the hands of the supreme court. youow these justices and know these justices will do the right thing because they have done it before. it was this court that desegregated public schools. [applause] that struckcourt down laws prohibiting interracial marriages. [applause] in the twoe be true cases before the court right now. we are equal....
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california's proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act or doma. the lawyer against prop 8 was on this morning's "meet the press". >> we're not asking for a new constitutional right. the constitutional right to marriage is well established. the supreme court has ruled that you can't take away the right to marry even from imprisoned felons. this is a basic civil rights issue and i don't think it's the issue that divides the court. >> joining me now, patricia and head of the supreme court practice. jonathan turley. hello to both of you. welcome. >> hi, alex. >> patricia, i'll begin with you as -- well, let's talk about in terms of prop 8, what we heard just there, correct, i mean, the right to mary already, has it been well-established? >> well, the right to marry is but what the court hasn't grappled with is what is the definition of marriage and that, as we know, is the issue hotly contested in this case and what they will be confronting and in particular what is the role of the courts in that, the role of the states, the role of the federal consti
california's proposition 8 and the defense of marriage act or doma. the lawyer against prop 8 was on this morning's "meet the press". >> we're not asking for a new constitutional right. the constitutional right to marriage is well established. the supreme court has ruled that you can't take away the right to marry even from imprisoned felons. this is a basic civil rights issue and i don't think it's the issue that divides the court. >> joining me now, patricia and head of...
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they will take up the defense of marriage act, doma. and there are reports of people already lining up outside the court to hear these arguments. and joining me now is the executive director for the foundation for equal rights. thank you for joining me. i want to get a preview of the case that you're going to present to the supreme court next week. >> sure. on tuesday, ted and david are going to go in that courtroom and they're going to make the case that one, 14 times the supreme court has said there's a fundamental right to marry for all americans. two, that denying gay and lesbian couples that right all rights them and hurs their families. and three, allowing gay and lesbian couples access to this right to make that pledge of public commitment through love and marriage hurts no one else. >> it must be buoyed by a group that agreed that children who are raised with gay parents that are married have a much more stable home life for them. but when it comes to whether or not this should be a state versus federal issue, we are seeing gove
they will take up the defense of marriage act, doma. and there are reports of people already lining up outside the court to hear these arguments. and joining me now is the executive director for the foundation for equal rights. thank you for joining me. i want to get a preview of the case that you're going to present to the supreme court next week. >> sure. on tuesday, ted and david are going to go in that courtroom and they're going to make the case that one, 14 times the supreme court...
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. >> i think the case against doma is extraordinary. i cannot imagine the court not declaring it unconstitutional. in fact, i am so hopeful i think we might even get a 6-3 vote out of this. >> bill: wow. >> because in one since you could make the conservative case that the federal court was messing in state's business. from a conservativeview point, you could possibly vote against it. i think the prop 8 case is very much up in the air. it's interesting to me that the court took it on because it could have just let the lower court decision stand which would have declared it unconstitutional for california. why did they check it out? i don't think it's to overturn the lower court's decision and i don't think that we will see them proclaiming marriage equality nationwide. >> yeah. >> what i do think is is that they will overturn -- excuse me. they will affirm prop 8s unconstitutionality for california but they will be doing it as a way of signalling to the country that marriage equality for all is on its way. >> right. >> that will be a gr
. >> i think the case against doma is extraordinary. i cannot imagine the court not declaring it unconstitutional. in fact, i am so hopeful i think we might even get a 6-3 vote out of this. >> bill: wow. >> because in one since you could make the conservative case that the federal court was messing in state's business. from a conservativeview point, you could possibly vote against it. i think the prop 8 case is very much up in the air. it's interesting to me that the court...
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. >> president obama called doma, the defense of marriage act unconstitutional. house republicans are defending it. a challenge to prop 8, a couple from the bay area, chris perry and sandy sterry and another couple from burbank are named plaintiffs in the case. it is us pekts the ruling is expected to come down sometime in july. >>> the coast guard will decide whether to resume the search for a missing 22-year-old man that vanished while swimming in the ocean. we toent roosevelt beach to play soccer and swim with some friends. went into the water and disappeared. the coast guard spent all night searching but they didn't find him. he worked at gin wan chinese restaurant. the owner says she considers him her own son. >> he is very, very good kid, very, very good kid. he hard working. he school. he working. >> the coast guard called off that search overnight. again, they will decide this morning whether to resume looking for lopez. >> 5:33. new this morning, the teenager is fighting for his life after an overnight stabbing in richmond. this morning, the suspect that
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. >> if the high court decides on doma, what does that mean for opponents for same-sex marriage? is that a settled issue, but is it like obama care and we'll still be talking about it years from now? >> we'll still be talking about it. let's let the states decide one at a time and that's probably the best way. public opinion is definitely shifting. maybe ten years from now, they all will be there. >> if the states decide, then we have patch work of laws where you have folks who can get married in california, but if they move to nebraska, are they recognized there? whatever your politics, there needs to be a settled universal law. >> for a while, gay rights advocates have argued that this shouldn't be settled in the courts, because he wanted a victory of public opinion. he wanted states one by one to have their people come over to the right side of the issue in their view. but i think that even andrew sullivan have come to the point where they say the majority of americans support same-sex marriage and those who oppose it are becoming less and less politically relevant. i think th
. >> if the high court decides on doma, what does that mean for opponents for same-sex marriage? is that a settled issue, but is it like obama care and we'll still be talking about it years from now? >> we'll still be talking about it. let's let the states decide one at a time and that's probably the best way. public opinion is definitely shifting. maybe ten years from now, they all will be there. >> if the states decide, then we have patch work of laws where you have folks...
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of history in her view and the view of her party coming up with a video changing the clinton view on doma and in the republican party, we're hearing from all across the spectrum that regardless of what the supreme court does the party needs to have a more libertarian view on this. republicans are telling us it would be a huge help with fund-raising especially in the big states of new york, california, and florida. if the republican party were to be more open on this. and people are telling us that investors don't want to invest what they think losing national elections which could continue to be the case if republicans stay very narrow on this issue. republicans i talked to even extremely conservative ones, very christian conservative republicans are telling me the polls they have seen in the last couple of weeks have been eye-opening, showing not only that young people very heavily in favor of gay marriage, but if you extrapolate that a little bit in just 10, 20 years, this is going to be 70/30 issue that republicans are going to be quickly going to be on the wrong side of. >> to your po
of history in her view and the view of her party coming up with a video changing the clinton view on doma and in the republican party, we're hearing from all across the spectrum that regardless of what the supreme court does the party needs to have a more libertarian view on this. republicans are telling us it would be a huge help with fund-raising especially in the big states of new york, california, and florida. if the republican party were to be more open on this. and people are telling us...
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reporter: after president obama declared the law unconstitutional, republicans came in though defend doma. the case comes in a different political climate than four years ago when prop 8 became law. an example, yesterday republican adviser karl rove said in the next election he could see pub one of the republican candidates favoring same-sex marriage. >> we will be covering a lot next week. thank you very much. >>> an apology from the irs over a training video that parodied star trek and paid for by taxpayer money. kelly o'donnell is in washington with more on that story. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. well, anytime your tax money is wasted, it's frustrating but especially so when it is the irs that's accused of poor judgment. a congressional committee found this star trek spoof didn't have any training value in it at all. to boldly go hollywood. ♪ the irs spent $60,000. >> captain log. >> reporter: making two videos including this elaborate "star trek" parody. >> sorry about the uniforms, the dry cleaner gave us the wrong order. >> how fast can you get out of here. >>
reporter: after president obama declared the law unconstitutional, republicans came in though defend doma. the case comes in a different political climate than four years ago when prop 8 became law. an example, yesterday republican adviser karl rove said in the next election he could see pub one of the republican candidates favoring same-sex marriage. >> we will be covering a lot next week. thank you very much. >>> an apology from the irs over a training video that parodied star...